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Ron Paul may be our only hope is decriminalizing marijuana and freeing the hemp enterprise....please pass the word on...if you haven't noticed our earth and our people are in dyer need of the TRUTH which he is fluent in and REAL FREEDOM which he strong promotes and will act on....give him a chance....
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...and also for making birth control illegal
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 9:01 PMhe believes life starts at conception, which is even before a pregnancy happens. he's all for overturning roe v. wade and criminalizing the women who might choose abortion and the doctors who'd be willing to perform them. so how much jail time should they get, according to him?
no one is pro-abortion, but he's against birth control which prevents the need!! this is not realistic, and there's no way i'd vote for him. -
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Re: ...and also for making birth control illegal
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 8:09 AMreally? can you show me proof?....does life start at conception? is it so bad to think that it is wrong to kill a baby? And rather it is a choice to get yourself into that situation so therefore you have a responsibility to allow that life to come through. Most of us are old enough to know the risks involved....He would never enforce that though...since he believes that people have a right to live their own lives....and make their own decisions...he believes in allowing people to live and to make mistakes so that we can learn for ourselves what is right for us....
He says alot of great things!!! He also has delivered over 4000 babies into this world....talk about compassion...he is far and above any other candidate....who else comes close?
Thank you for your thoughts though...I appreciate your point of view.....I just know that he is very clear and has a tremendous ability to cut through the crap that all the other candidates are stuck in....he sticks to the constitution, he is very humble, and speaks of compassion and is compassionate....he has the qualities of a true leader...small flaws aside..... Every other candidate you could speak volumes against....and can speak very little for...
He is one you can speak volumes for and little against......He is true to his word....he exemplifies what he speaks and is the only one speaking out against the war, against our bogus foreign policies, the patriot act, the war on drugs, how horrible our healthcare is, legalizing hemp as a industry, decriminalizing marijuana, letting hemp be used for biofuels, getting rid of the IRS, our over blown budget and debt, getting rid of the CIA, the FBI, the IRS, no taxes whatsoever, bringing the troops home, ending the war, that America brought the 911 attack on ourselves and so forth....got to weigh it out !!!
He says that everyone is entitled to their beliefs, of which he has his own...but NO ONE has the right to enforce and impose their beliefs upon others by force or by laws...our RIGHTS, OUR LIVES AND OUR LIBERTIES are given to us by our CREATOR!!!! And the federal government is there to protect our freedoms, not to take them away....THIS is what HE says.....
Bless you all...
KEVIN
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Re: ...and also for making birth control illegal
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 6:20 PMthe proof is in your own post: he's contradicting himself.
"but NO ONE has the right to enforce and impose their beliefs upon others by force or by laws."
that contradicts being anti-choice and anti-contraception. currently, if you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. if you don't believe in preventing pregnancy through use of hormones that stop ovulation, don't use them. changing that imposes a specific set of beliefs on the whole population.
on a further note, you said "And rather it is a choice to get yourself into that situation so therefore you have a responsibility to allow that life to come through." i would urge you to support comprehensive sexuality education programs that DO reduce unintended pregnancies rather than the abstinence-only programs this candidate supports which are ineffective and based on idealism rather than research. no one's pro-abortion, so let's reduce the need with programs that we know work!!
last question: if roe v. wade is overturned, how much jail time should women who have illegal abortions get?
it sounds like your main issue is legalizing marijuana and mine is reproductive rights: i'm cool with agreeing to disagree. -
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Re: ...and also for making birth control illegal
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 8:17 PM Ok...Many good points there for sure...
Firstly Marijuana is not my most important issue...It is all really importnat to me..I really wish we could all fell a sense of freedom in our lives that we have never felt before..I wish we could all just breathe easy and feel a REAL sense of PEACE around us always and that we could feel like it is ok to be who you are. Srop having to prove things to people and just really live what our hearts are in need of. Not to say that we cannot have that now if we looked deep enough where it all disappears and becomes ONE.
After thinking about this a bit I started to see something....What if Ron Paul over-turned Roe Vs. Wade and maybe the outcome was a little different than you may imagine...What he is trying to do is restore the values of the constitution and make it pure again..and put the power in the hands of the state and the people....This way we have the choices, laws may be different state to state....we would have small governments, so I am sure there will be many states that would have laws allowing it....But see, in this everybody will get appeased.......Everybody will have a place that fits their indiviual needs...does that make sense? Cause we would have 50 states able to make up their own minds.....Doesn't that sound attractive at all?
And about abortion...wow what a touchy subject..I never really thought about it a whole lot.....Iof course...being a male. To me it is interesting to think about actually when life enters a baby....Roe vs. Wade says something like 7 month.....or when the baby is considered VIABLE(able to live outside it's mother.) But I can't help but think and feel that a baby has consciousness well before that time......then the question is how much longer before? A baby is even bonded to it's mother by then.....Breastfeeding is secondary I am sure to the bond that occurs in the woman in the incubabtion process......This baby is basically downloading the mothers essence and spirit....being nourished....they are in relationship...
Is 7 months a reasonable cut-off date? Or would less time be a little better? So how about this....It seems like it is part the mother's rights and part the baby rights that there is controversy over..so I think to appease both sides since there is NO WAY to convice anybody one way or the other......50/50..... the first 41/2 months for the mother(who is responsible for conceiving it, most of the time; and the one who will carry and deliver the child) to decide, she deserves the right to choose..and the baby gets the second 4 1/2 months.... ok so that's not perfect either, and I know that there is alot of variables...but that is an equal starting point and from their we way the variables and you get more perfect numbers when factoring the variables..maybe it should be calculated differently for each individual.....that way each person can be helped to understand all the variables and to make the right choice for themselves....in an appropriate amount of time decided by a formula that calculates the variables in on an individual basis.....I am just throwing out other options..cause to me Roe vs. Wade isn't perfect either....I believe the life is ignited when the sperm meets the egg and the exchange of DNA occur......That is when NEW life is beginning, in the death of a sperm and an egg. So I believe that to end that new life is a shame..but I can understand that this makes complications for women at times and so therefore there needs to be neutral ground...So somewhere is the middle would be more fair from where I am standing....
Thanks for the conversation.....
In Peace,
Kevin
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Re: ...and also for making birth control illegal
Thu, January 10, 2008 - 1:30 PMIn the US, abortion is a legal option through the 2nd trimester of pregnancy: so 6 months. Most abortions (88%) are obtained in the first trimester of pregnancy. In fact, over half of all abortions are obtained within the first 8 weeks. Fewer than 2% occur at 21 weeks or later, and nearly all of those happen because of some sort of threat to the mother's life.
On another point, the woman doesn't become pregnant by herself: there has to be sperm there, too, but often women are "blamed" for unintended pregnancies and the hard choices that they might have to make around whether or not to continue the pregnancy.
Again, NO ONE is pro-abortion! Let's prevent as many abortions and unwanted children as possible by supporting research-based policy: give young people accurate information about their bodies, access to birth control and sexual protection methods and let families give the values about what they want for their children at home. They did this in western Europe with phenomenal success, and there's a movement in Oregon based along the same values of rights, respect and responsibility (www.new3rs.info).
In my ideal world, every pregnancy would be planned and wanted and the need for abortion would go away. Unfortunately, we're not there yet. Making abortion illegal doesn't make it go away, but it does make the number of women that die from it increase dramatically. Right now, a first trimester abortion is gentler on a woman's body than carrying a pregnancy to term, but illegal abortions are dangerous and women can die from the infection that results from them.
Personally, I'd love it if the government would pay for voluntary sterilizations. That way those of us who don't want to have kids or risk having an unintended pregnancy would be covered. Sign me up, I can't afford that on my own!! -
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Re: ...and also for making birth control illegal
Thu, January 10, 2008 - 5:48 PMThanks for all that information...thats good knowledge for sure.....
But do you think that if Ron Paul was elected that there is absolutely no way you would not see a happy ending for this issue; from your perspective.....Is there some one else(another candidate) that not only would make the abortion topic much better but better much of the other problems/issues as well?
Who is a better option all the way around?
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Re: ...and also for making birth control illegal
Thu, January 10, 2008 - 7:29 PMi'm still debating between hillary & barak....
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Re: Hope for decriminalizing marijuana
Thu, January 10, 2008 - 4:22 PMWhat the hell is going on here? like I said in an earlier post that I tried several times to pos that last message...and finally it got posted and now I came back to check things out and the post is gone...Either our points-of-view are being edited or something is messed up with Tribe..but what an annoyance.....
I'll have to post it again soon....got it saved just in case.....
and one moment it says 6 replies to the topic and another moment it says 3 replies and it goes back and forth between the two numbers....WTF?.....
